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A poll about fan interactivity at Safeco Field

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PLEASE NOTE; AS OF SEPTEMBER 19TH AT 2.30PM, THIS POLL IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED. You can still vote, but the results have been collected. Thank you all for your assistance, I really do appreciate your participation. -Megan

 

Taking a few minutes on a borrowed laptop to ask Mariners fans a question.

Recently, I attended my first King’s Court. I won’t go into the description of the King’s Court, because if you’re a Mariners fan, you already know. If you don’t, you better ask somebody. And if you can’t see a group of mustard-colored shirts in the corner of the stadium when Felix pitches, I might suggest an eye test. Ever since I attended my first Sounders game, and saw how enthusiastic the crowd gets there, I have thought that our fine Seattle baseball team could use a similar injection of excitement. Other teams have their fan clubs and ways for fans to up the ante when it comes to providing an atmosphere that supports the teams they follow; the Bleacher Creatures in New York, the guy who hits that drum for the Cleveland Indians all the time, the noisemakers at the Rays stadium, the flag wavers down in Oakland…I’m sure there are others (like the entire Phillies and Cardinals fanbases), but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. The King’s Court provides a similar outlet for fans who want to sit there. But it’s only a small pocket of fans, and even though people seem to be generally interested in the purpose of the section, it’s still kind of held at arm’s length by a lot of people who, in my opinion, simply don’t want to be excited over baseball – or don’t understand the concept of cheering on one’s team at a sporting event.

I believe that the Mariners need something, a little kick in the pants, a way for fans to participate. We have a terrible reputation for being the library of baseball; people don’t clap or yell unless the scoreboard tells them to. Fans get shushed by other fans for making so much as a peep when the count is 3-2, and little baby Jesus help you if you heckle the other team, even in a way that doesn’t involve swearing.

But if there were steps taken by the organization, “new rules”, as it were, put in place that encouraged people to get excited for our Seattle Mariners, would you participate? Would you want to be involved in making the atmosphere at Safeco a more electric one? If a noisemaker was sold in the Team Store, would you buy and use it? Would you sit in, say, a designated cheering section if there were some sort of special seating deal? Would you be more or less likely to come to a ball game if you knew that there would be more freedom to cheer the Ms on?

Keep in mind here, that I am asking these questions from the standpoint of someone who would love to see a more jubilant response from fans when the situations are tight or the game is good, or the count is full. So here are some questions…

I think that’s about it for now.  Please feel free to pass this around to other fans, and feel free to comment in the comments section, if you feel that something has been missed, or have other suggestions, or just to tell me that I’m crazy. I’d like to see as much participation as possible here, it might help things change (I’m not going into specifics, let’s just say I know some things about some stuff).

This might be my last post until the playoffs, so help me make it count, folks.

EDIT; it has come to my attention that my habit of spelling the stadium’s name “SafeCo” is indeed technically incorrect – even the corporation doesn’t spell it that way. It is a habit borne out of the impression that the “Co” part of the word stood for “Company”, therefore making “Co” a separate part of the name that should be capitalized. Something to work on when I get fully back on line.

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40 thoughts on “A poll about fan interactivity at Safeco Field

  1. Designated cheering section?

    • I know, it sounds messed up, but if you’d ever been to SafeCo, you’d totally see where this is coming from…it’s not that people don’t cheer altogether – but the fact of the matter is, Mariners fans rely on the scoreboard to tell them when to cheer. On 3-2 counts, the scoreboard has to have the word “Noise” on it, to encourage people to clap. Otherwise, stuff like that might go completely unnoticed. Cliff Lee even said something about how awful it was, and that it was good to be back in Philadelphia, where people actually cheered. Granted, Philly has been able to field a decent team for a few years now, but even when we had a winning season in ’09, it was like pulling teeth to get people to stand up and clap for much of anything other than a homer.

      • Can you simply designate SafeCo Park as the designated cheering section?

      • Everyone experiences the game differently. For me, I have always been very laid back at games. I keep a scorebook, I absorb – and in its way, the scorebook helps me formulate a narrative for the game. I don’t cheer on 3-2 counts even when the scoreboard tells me to. This isn’t because I’m some somnambulant observer. It’s because my energies are poured into a quiet joy. I feel like a poet of the game more than a proser.

        But I never, ever begrudge the legitimate, swelling excitement of a crowd – be it at a sporting event or a concert or some sort of rally. It’s organic, and it’s part of the shared experience. Plus, when I’m at home I don’t keep score…and my energies there go into other things. Like being obnoxiously loud.

  2. One would think…the type of cheering I’m referring to, however, would be a little more boisterous than we’re used to here in Seattle. Again, if you’ve been there, it would totally make sense. :/

  3. Looks like I’m going to be the rebel, based on the poll results… ;)

    1. I like to sit and relax, and enjoy a baseball game. I don’t want someone yelling in my ear or something. I’m all for cheering and whatnot, but I’d rather not have Seahawks games level noise and yelling while I’m at Safeco.

    2. I can’t remember what I put for this, but I definitely wouldn’t buy one, I would probably use some thundersticks if they were given away for free. Actually, maybe I would buy them if they were cheap, but I wouldn’t want to pay a whole lot. Most other noisemakers at sporting events are really fucking annoying, and I know some people hate thundersticks, but personal preference, they are ok to me, and would be something I use.

    3. I would not really buy tickets for a general cheering section or something. It’s just not my thing, I’m not loud at games, I don’t like putting myself out there , just not in my personality. I’ve done King’s Court, and that was fun and would do it again. But, I was not a total participant, I tried to make an effort though.

    4. Nope, as stated above.

    5. The product does not matter one bit to me.

    6. I prefer family friendly, there’s way too much vulgarity as it is, and waaaay too much aggressiveness. Alcohol most certainly plays a large part in this, I witness drunken foolery pretty much every game I attend.

    7. Most definitely.

    8. It’s enough for me.

    And this all is not to say that I DON’T make noise, I try to clap and be loud that way to make up for my lack of wanting to be ‘vocal’. I stand up at ‘important’ parts of the game, but I generally don’t make noise if I’m the only person in the area doing it, just something I’m not comfortable doing.

    • About that last bit though- I think that if more people felt like they *could* cheer, then you’d see more people doing it, and you’d no longer be in the minority. I saw a guy on Twitter who got told to sit down ON OPENING DAY.
      Anyway, I think that your answers are pretty typical of a lot of fans, which is why the special section is being suggested as an option. I’m not saying give people carte blanche to be assholes, but having people not shush me when I start cheering for Brandon League would be a great start…

      • It’ll be hard to ever get me to ‘cheer’, but like I said, I try to make up for it with my clapping. And I for sure don’t want to stifle anyone from cheering or whatever, as long as they are being respectful and not just screeching or something. I also hate heckling in general, most of it just not creative, and a lot of people seem to use it as a way of getting away with being a douche or asshole.

  4. More loud = more fun. I want an air horn in the ear about as much as the next guy, but I understand these things happen…

  5. YES YES YES!!! I voted yes to almost everything, EXCEPT for keeping the “family friendly” vibe. Let me ‘splain.

    Now I am a mom, and I don’t want super drunk and obnoxious fans around my kids all the time (besides me obviously (just kidding)) but Safeco has swung too far to the opposite side. The irony of the “family friendly” atmosphere idea is, it ends up being the opposite of “friendly” to my particular family. I have a six year old and a two year old, and they don’t get to go to very many games, so when they go, I want them to enjoy it! We cheer! We sing songs! We stretch in an exaggerated manner in the middle of the seventh! We get excited when our favorite players get announced at the beginning of the game, we get real excited when they’re up to bat, and we get REAL excited when they get a hit! I feel like that’s the way it should be, especially since they are KIDS for crying out loud. But each and every single game I take them to, I have people literally glaring at us for making too much noise.

    My children are not jerks, and I am not saying things like, “hey Graham, yell at A-Rod to go f***k himself!”. We are yelling “I-CHI-RO!” or doing “DUS-TIN, ACK-LEY” clap clap, clap clap clap- pretty harmless stuff. But from the looks people are giving me, you would think I am buying my children beer, encouraging them to chug it, and then gleefully directing their vomit into the hair of the woman sitting in front of me. If it’s going to annoy people so much to have two little boys sing along to “Take Me Out To The Ballgame” in the row behind them, then perhaps a baseball game is not their best option for a night’s entertainment, is my opinion.

    I’d sit in a special cheering section if it was on the catwalk between the roof and the seats. Part of the fun for me, as an out of town fan, is getting to bond with some other fans! The sense of camaraderie at Safeco is lacking, and I feel like King’s Court helps to bring us together. We need more stuff like that.

    There is an alcohol-free family friendly section, and I have no problem with people doing what they want to do at a game, I’m not a cheering nazi. But I want to have fun, and I don’t want to be shushed. “We want a pitcher, not a belly-itcher” is not going to yell itself.

    I know everybody’s like “tl:dr” right now, but thanks for hearing me out.

  6. People weren’t complaining back in 2001 when they were winning. Once they start producing winning seasons again, people will pick up the noise etc. They’d rather watch the damn grounds crew dance, the stupid hyro race, or get a wave going than actually watch the game and cheer on the team. I’ve tried multiple times to get people going and it just isn’t working

    • On a slightly related note, when I was sitting in the King’s Court a bunch of people joined in the wave and a little part of me died, but I guess I can’t have everything my way.

  7. In the 80s, when the team sucked, the organization was much less conservative than it is now. Today, all they care about is the supposed “family friendly” environment. When I go to Safeco, I go to watch a baseball game and cheer on my hometown team, not to sit in $500 million Romper Room. But what bothers me more than the sterile environment/over-the-top “only be a fan in designated areas” philosophy is A) the product on the field (which has been mostly awful over the last ten years), and B) the prices of beer/pop/food.

    If the team was better, I think the atmosphere would follow. Anybody that was at Safeco in 2000 and 2001 knows that the stadium can be electric when the team is winning. Put a good product out there and it will improve.

    As for the concessions, I fully expect to pay high prices for beer and food when I go to a ballgame. I do not expect to get ripped-off by the Mariners organization. $8.25 for a Coors Light is absurd and borders on theft. This isn’t Manhattan.

    I had season tickets in 2001-2004 but now I rarely go to games anymore unless I get free tickets due to the play on the field and the rip-off prices at the concessions.

    • Yeah, I’m fully with you on the $8 domestic bottle of beer. It’s a bit much.
      I had said on Lookout Landing that I know this might be a cart before the horse thing, but it would be nice if the stadium was a place where people felt they *could* make noise, rather than a bunch of people being afraid to because they might get a knuckle-rapping from the ushers.

      • Oh, I agree. I think that with bigger crowds and a better product, that the ushers have less time to deal with the individual “cheering” issues. When it’s packed, and everyone around you wants to cheer, they can’t tell everyone to sit down. But I agree fully on the current situation; things need to lighten up. I almost feel as if a section should be created for the “sitting, quiet fans” and let the rest of the stadium be for people that want to stand, cheer, or do any of the things that sports fans like to do at a game without interference from the ushers.

      • OR, such sections in each part of the stadium, just to make things even. The funny thing is, I’ve heard parents use more vulgarity during a game with their kids around (there has been a guy sitting behind me making dick jokes to his 9-year-old nephew for a few games this year) then I ever have on my own – or around kids, for that matter. If there’s a ton of kids around, I try and be creative with the swears – I get to express myself, and the kids’ delicate sensibilities aren’t harmed – which is really BS, I’ve heard little kids use swear words I’ve never even HEARD of out on the sidewalk in front of our house. The idea that kids can’t take swearing is really really ridiculous.

  8. Megan,

    I can understand the desire to be more fanatical while attending a game, but because some people have the horrible habit of taking things too far I would not want to see things blown wide open. I hate people whose only purpose in life is to yell terrible things at the opposing players.

    Several years ago I went to a Rockies game here in Colorado when they were playing the Giants and there were maybe a dozen people there whose only reason for being there (or so it seemed) was to yell at Barry Bonds about steriods and how he did not deserve to have the homerun crown. Those 12 people nearly ruined the game experience for several thousands people.

    Just my $0.02

    Lonnie

    • No, you’re absolutely right – and that is a line the organization would have to walk. I am not a huge fan of the yelling out of vulgarities – years of Jays fans have made me realize that. But I’ve heard a lot of reports of fans being asked to be quiet, and we’ve sort of been cowed into that. I think the no-swears rule should still be in effect – but I also think that having ushers tell you to be quiet during a sporting event is ridiculous.

  9. I think a cheering section is a great idea. I understand that standing up most of the game and cheering is irritating to the person behind me when they can’t see a darn thing of the game, so give us our own section. I’ve been to minor league stadiums with more noise and enthusiasm than Safeco. It reminds me sometimes of BYU basketball games which were famous for having most of the non-student section filled with women who brought their knitting and never watched the game, only the knitting has been replaced by smartphones.

    Some of us think cheering with a group is fun, and I go to games for fun. Even the best team loses a lot of games, and if the fans don’t make some fun of their own, then those games a pretty much a loss all around.

    One other thing I think would help (that we can’t change) is the tradition in baseball of the players not showing emotion. The NBA caught on when the owners figured out they were in the entertainment business. Not that baseball should have players dancing or doing “muscle poses” every time they do something good, but they should be able to celebrate and let the fans celebrate with them. This whole idea of any emotion is “disrespecting” the other team or the pitcher or the shortstop’s dog’s third cousin or something — I would love to see that change and I believe more emotion shown on the field would get the fans going more in the stands.

    Give me a section where I can bring my cowbells and clang them without getting dirty looks from the people around me constantly on their cell phones, and I’ll be a happy fan, even with some loses.

    • Y’know, when I first started going to games a few years ago, I distinctly remember someone in CF used to bring a cowbell. I assume they must have gotten chased out or something, because I haven’t heard it for ages…
      It’s funny that you mention college basketball games – I’ve seen snippets of a few while flipping through channels, and I thought I was watching a soccer game! Those people are nuts! And that’s what I would love to see at Safeco.

  10. Earlier this season, in the 9th inning of Felix’s complete game against the White Sox that Brendan Ryan won with a walk-off hit, my wife and I were standing for Felix finishing the game, and then standing and cheering as the M’s tried to bring in the winning run from 2nd.

    A woman who was sitting at least two rows behind us came up and demanded that we sit down, because no one else around us was standing up. I informed her that that was because everyone else was stupid–when the winning run is on 2nd base in the 9th inning, you dang well better stand up. She kept after me, and then her husband came down and threatened to fight me. Eventually, after I got some support from nearby fans, they went away and then Brendan Ryan made it all moot. I did get some high fives on my way out.

    I would hate it if I were required to purchase particular tickets to be able to cheer like that–I want Safeco to be a place where that sort of thing is expected, but I don’t know if there are specific policies you can take to make that happen (besides the very important ‘don’t suck’ policy, which I think really should be the main goal here).

    (A side note–earlier in the game, which it should be noted was a bobblehead game, a girl got thrown out just ahead of us for bringing in a flask of liquor, and another couple gals just behind us were thrown out for smoking pot. I fully supported both of these, though I wish the ushers had been as on top of things when I was being threatened with assault. Family friendly, as Moira stated eloquently above, is about striking something of a balance between two extremes.)

    • Wow – a parent does something like that, and yet you’re viewed as part of the problem? See, there’s something wrong there.

      I totally agree about the balance – and I think that something can be found, they’re just going to have to work on it. Baby steps, perhaps. :)

  11. I live in Philadelphia. Citizen’s Bank Park *used* to be a fun place to watch a baseball game. Since 2008, the place has gotten out of control, the fans use it as a happy hour, and while the atmosphere is pretty intense, it’s just not that fun for me anymore. I’m sure I might have a different opinion if I was a Phillies fan.

    It’s a similar atmosphere to Eagles games, which I love being a part of, except the people at the football games care more about the action on the field rather than the drink in their cup. I would not want Safeco to get this way, and I really enjoyed the laid back but excited atmosphere it had when I visited during a Red Sox series (Jose Lopez had a walk off hit, and the place went bonkers). While I think baseball isn’t a game that lends itself to constant noise, cheering, and all that, there are certainly parts of the games where cheering enhances the excitement. I wouldn’t want to sit next to a group that is constantly cheering, booing each pickoff, doing chants, and carrying on at umpires all game like Philadelphia now has.

    Another thing is, with the state of the Mariners, family oriented fun is a huge draw for a large part of the crowd that comes in. People act like Seattle is the only team that does mid inning games, hydro races, ask the announcers, etc., but I assure you, these things happen at each and every ballpark. I don’t understand at all the move to get rid of these things to promote a more baseball-centric atmosphere and surely think it would make the game less “fun” for some of the people there.

    • Oh please don’t misunderstand – the idea is absolutely NOT to get rid of the stuff that people already like there. As far as I can tell, nobody is interested in getting rid of the hat trick, the hydros, bobbles, etc. What they seem to be looking at is encouraging a more excitable atmosphere. I don’t think Seattle could be like Philly if it tried – and I don’t think anyone is certainly interested in having a jail and courtroom under the stadium to take care of the alcohol issues, like the Eagles do.
      I think what they are trying to do is give those people who want to do these things the OPTION of doing them, rather than risking the attitude that one currently experiences now when trying to show some love to the team.
      I’ve said it a few times before, but it definitely bears repeating – if this is a move the organization decides to make, it will have to be a pretty delicate balance between maintaining a middle ground between the family of four that comes to a handful of games, the regular season ticketholders, and the fanatics that want to make a lot of noise. There is obviously a call for this last bit, or the King’s Court would not currently exist. I’m just trying to get some feedback on a few ideas I’ve had.
      I don’t want the hydros to go away – I always vote for red. :)

      • “As far as I can tell, nobody is interested in getting rid of the hat trick, the hydros, bobbles,” Oh jeez, don’t talk to the Fire Nintendo crowd then… :P That group complains about everything that’s silly and fun, even Tom’s favorite, the inflatable Moose.

      • I’ve given up on being neutral there; I don’t care what they do, but the incessant complaining was really too much for me to deal with.

      • Totally agree, it’s all about striking a balance. I think a lot of the movement we’ve seen elsewhere has to do with complaining for the sake of complaining rather than actually being conscious of what will work.

        And yeah, the passion on display at Seahawks games can easily translate to Safeco, but for that to happen the Mariners need to be successful on the field first. I don’t understand this other concept that says for the Mariners to be good, the fans need to show passion. It’s definitely the other way around.

      • Argh! I had to approve you twice! Pesky WordPress. ;)

        I think that the good product vs. cheering thing is more or less understood; but I also think that they are trying to cure the apathy that occurs on bad seasons even when the Ms are playing well. The overwhelming response here is that people love the team and would cheer them on regardless, so long as they were playing well – and honestly, i see nothing wrong with that. It’s far better than the mass apathy that occurs during a bad season when they have a blowout or someone’s pitching well. People don’t even cheer for the closer, which is ludicrous to me…

  12. I brought my parents (in their late 60s) to Safeco for the first time this year. They live in NH and have always gone to Fenway. Your feelings about the Red Sox aside, it is a fun ballpark and the fans care and care loudly. My parents were in awe over the lack of anything from the Seattle fans. I explained my point of view, that it was the ushers/house policy and not as much the fans themselves. (At least I hope that’s the case.) They were disappointed to say the least.

    The last straw was when the usher came to tell the Twins fans in front of us (who were cheering loudly and hilariously) to sit down. We found out later when talking to them that the usher told them that my parents had complained. They did not!! I have a bitter, bitter taste from this and I think their family friendly policy has been taken way too far. If it were not for my love of baseball I would consider boycotting Safeco.

    • I have never had that sort of problem, but I did have to deal with some crazy female usher back in 2008 who was so rude to me that I debated taking her photo and posting it here. It was the game against the Angels where those two guys showed up wearing paper bags on their heads. Attendance was REALLY low, and there was nobody in the lower seats in 134 or therabouts, and it was like the 8th inning. There were some 40 empty seats down front, so I went down with my camera out to take a few photos. That’s all I was going to do, was take some photos, and go back to my seat in the 20th row. This woman went ballistic on me, even when I explained that all I was doing was taking pictures. She told me that I couldn’t, that I had to go back to my seat. In the 8th inning. Of a losing game. Seriously? I remember there being more of an angry exchange, but she made me feel like an asshole for only trying to get some photos at the end of a blowout game. It was completely uncalled for. I’m sure that people working in those sections have to deal with drunks and people who are not polite all the time, but I was being extremely nice, and I’d had ONE beer, in the early innings of the game. I debated writing a letter, which I never did because I have the tendency to get over stuff like that quickly. But if you’re upset, I would suggest a written letter to the organization.
      Barring that, I totally feel your pain. There are some absolutely wonderful people working at Safeco (I adore the ushers and bartenders down in The Pen), but one person can totally destroy your night or afternoon. I am hoping that the results of this poll can be a force used for good to make sure that those of us who love our team can truly express that in a way that the team will feel it – we are, after all, there for them. :)

  13. Good post! I think that the rules could be a bit more noise friendly, and really like the King’s Court.

  14. Couple of quick thoughts (because I’ve discussed this topic to death so many times): rather than having more cheering-dedicated sections, why not have a couple no-cheering sections, where these people can sit and enjoy their movie theater experience?

    The point — you should feel comfortable standing up and cheering for your team anywhere in the stadium. I’m willing to sacrifice a couple of sections for people who don’t know what it is to be at a baseball game, but cheering shouldn’t be the exception. Non-cheering should be the minority. I’m not talking about raucous swearing. That’s not cheering. But standing up and screaming support for the team or a player or even something goofy at an opposing player, at the top of your lungs, at any point during the game, is normal baseball behavior. Baseball is an interactive activity. You interact with the game and the players through the joy, support, or frustration you express.

    We shouldn’t need gimmicks and noisemakers to do this. Noisemakers don’t belong at baseball games. This town can generate noise like none other, with their throats and their hands and feet. I don’t feel like we need noise-making objects or songs. An occasional spontaneous air-horn, fine. But organizing things feel crass to me. That’s just me. If people want to break out into spontaneous song, that’s awesome. But, to me, the fun of baseball, is the suddenness and spontaneity of it. Having organized reactions to things takes away from that. But whatever — far be it from me to stop people from having fun how they’d like to. And who knows, maybe I can be converted.

    The idea of family-friendliness is paradoxical, as Moira points out. I’m not a parent, yet. But I likely will be in the near-ish future. From my view, part of parenting will be exposing my kids to life. If there are a few rowdy fans yelling expletives at a baseball game, that’s a teachable moment. We shouldn’t foster an atmosphere of baseline behavior, obviously. But Safeco will never been disgusting like that anyway.

    Once the Mariners start winning consistently again, I feel like all of this will happen organically. Until then, I’m not sure what to do other than just to continue to be the fans that we are, and not care about people who give us weird looks. It’s uncomfortable, but they are the ones who don’t know how to enjoy baseball. If Safeco can reign in the ushers, that would certainly help. Ushers are there to usher, not tell people how to watch baseball.

    …okay, crap. That was not just a few quick thoughts. I’m ending this abruptly, and without any resolution.

    • Pete, you’re right – but this is Seattle. lol It’s easier to put the noisy people somewhere than it is the quiet people.

      In all seriousness, the noisemaker thing…there are a lot of US baseball teams that have noisemakers – the Rays come to mind. Latin American teams and Japanese teams all have fans that foster a jovial, noisy atmosphere with musical instruments, player chants, etc. Musical instruments might not work, when we have the jumbotron, but I see absolutely no problem in bringing something to make oneself louder. Some of us can only smack our hands together so loudly. ;)
      You make an excellent point about the ushers, and I agree with you. I guess the issue – and the thing they’re going to have to deal with in trying to get this to happen – is how do you tell, say, a drunk obnoxious person from someone who is being boisterous about the team? These people are 70 years old, and they’re being paid less than $9/ hour to deal with all manner of ridiculousness. The fact is, I feel for both sides. Within the rules, each individual usher has to use their own gauge of how to deal with other human beings. There are some who are better at it than others, for sure, but they’re also under the constraints of the rules of the field.

      It’s a good thing the season is almost over, there is now plenty of time for this stuff to be worked on, should the Mariners decide they want to – and I firmly believe they do.

    • “I’m willing to sacrifice a couple of sections for people who don’t know what it is to be at a baseball game”

      That’s a little bit of a bothersome statement. People should be able to enjoy the game how they want to, and no particular way is wrong as long as you are being respectful. I generally just like to sit and enjoy a game quietly and relax. I should be sequestered? No, in the same way you shouldn’t be put in a cheering section if you want to do your thing.

  15. I would love at least a section where the rules are more relaxed. The one thing that really bugs me about Safeco right now is the fact that both ushers and fans alike have demanded that I sit down when I stand up to cheer. I bought that ticket, I should be allowed to stand up and cheer when the moment is right. If you want to continue to see the game, feel free to stand up with me.

    It’s not just about making noise, though. The Seattle fans could stand some educating, from what I’ve seen. I don’t see many people keeping score. No one really gets up when (insert pitcher besides Felix) battles back to 3-2 after being down 3-0. Learn to recognize the big moments and cheer accordingly, people. I’m sure Patrick, who likes to relax and enjoy the game (which is great), would be the first to increase the magnitude of his cheering during the big moment.

  16. What bothers me the most are the monotone noise makers such as the thunndersticks and those darn horns (I forget their name) they used in South Africa at the Olympics. The drummer in Cleveland is part of this kind of irritating noise. Compare that drum with pep bands at college games: snare drums rat-a-tat-tatting, and horns of all sorts (trumpets, saxes, and trombones). Cow bells are okay because they can’t seem to be synchronized. That is why I love the human voice and clapping. The sounds vary. Even some whistling is okay. Frankly, those repetitive k-k-ks from the Kings Court is somewhat annoying. In summary, let it go with yelling, whistling, stomping, and clapping and lay off the noise makers.

  17. I agree with most everyone here, especially Ben. I remember the ALDS in ’01, where FOX gave a close-up of the Indian’s pitcher wearing earplugs. Once the M’s start winning again, you’ll have fans there that are excited to see the M’s win.

    As for families, aren’t there family nights? If not, there should be; and if so, then they should be promoted more.

    As for noise-makers, I’d rather have Safeco either sell or give them out, ‘cuz I’m fearful it could get out of hand.

    To those who want it quiet at the game, I pose this question: why go to the game in the first place? Why not just watch it on TV? You’d get a much better view of the game, and you could watch it on ‘mute.’ Me? I go to the game so that I can boo/cheer in the company of boo/cheerers. If you’re only going to the game so you don’t have to deal with your kids, wait for family night.

  18. *If you’re only going to the game to keep your kids occupied, wait for family night.

    sorry, folks

  19. The Japanese baseball fans have crazy fans, but it is still a family environment. I really want safeco to be like this. LOL

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